Retrogrades in the Natal Horoscope (update)


NOTE: These are my notes from a lecture I gave on Retrogrades in Pisa, Italy. I have given this lecture so many times that I do not want to give it again…so I am sharing my notes with everyone.

The other planets turn retrograde when they are only the opposite side of the chart from the Sun. In a natal horoscope, any planet in opposition to the Sun will always be retrograde. Many times a planet forming a trine to the Sun will be retrograde also. Mars turns retrograde for slightly less than 2 1/2 months every 2 years.
• Jupiter through Pluto are retrograde every year.
• Jupiter is retrograde for 4 months.
• Saturn through Pluto are retrograde for 5 months.

When a planet is retrograde, it does not work in its normal manner. It frequently needs to make changes or work on an inner, psychological level before it can express itself outwardly.


When Mercury is retrograde, the thought processes are introspective, deliberate and internalized. Before any personal matter can be discussed, it must be processed internally.
This means that, if you want to discuss a personal matter with a Mercury Retrograde friend, you must tell them what you want to discuss and set up an appointment to discuss it. If you want an immediate answer, you will not get an honest or well though out answer. They need time to brood and ponder.

Because these people need to digest and process first, they are slow to defend themselves and slow to respond to queries of a personal nature unless they are prepared ahead of time.
• They appreciate a slow reaction in another.
• They can easily discuss non-personal subjects, their own interests and expertise, without introspection. This has already been done in the past.
On personal subjects, they may not know immediately how they feel about something – they need that brood and ponder time.

Perception is quite good because they are sensitive to how they feel about things; the perceptions are highly individualized.
They prefer a Reflective Analysis. In intellectual matters, they are rarely superficial but they tend to analyze, re-analyze, reflect and then apply internally.
There is a perfectionistic side so they can talk in absolutes – using terms such as “always” and “never.”

Many Mercury retrograde people feel that they had no one to talk to as a child.
The thoughts and mental activity became internalized and highly subjective.
They may be prone to day dream.
Some may be so absorbed in their own internalized thoughts that they seem absent-minded and unaware of external activities. This is especially true if Mercury is retrograde in the cadent (3, 6, 9, 12) Houses. And, especially if aspecting Neptune, a planet that can go off into its own world and lose track of time.

With Mercury R or in the 12th House, they all too easily go off into their own thoughts so they miss a lot of information due to the “tuning out” process. Tuning Out can make them appear forgetful.
In school, I would always lose my place in reading classes. When (not) listening, I often do not get all of the information. Now that I am older, I try very hard to concentrate when others are speaking.

Afflictions in Houses 3-6-12 can cause learning disabilities – Dyslexia, ADHD (Attention Deficit Learning Disorder). One child was later discovered to be deaf in one ear and tried to compensate by listening a lot.

This can be the signature of the scientific thinker. Many of the astronauts in the late 1960-early 1970s had Mercury Retrograde.

SPEED OF MERCURY: The speed that Mercury is moving can indicate the speed at which an individual can process information. One friend whose Mercury moved 2 degrees on the day she was born was a very fast and sharp thinker. She had a rare ability to think quickly with little time for reflection.
Those born with Mercury Retrograde take longer to process information but their solutions to problems often have more insight and wisdom.

FEEDBACK: “I have learned that, when something is presented quickly, I need to ask to think about it.”

• Mercury in the 2nd can be the bargain hunter

• Mercury in Houses 3-4 often needs quiet in order to think. This is often true of Venus R in these Houses as well. They have a problem concentrating when there are distractions and arguments in the home. Mercury in the 3rd is very prone to study and research but they need quiet. They may appear slow only because they need to have all of the facts first.

• Mercury in the 5th can think more than create but this develops in time. This is a signature of a good teacher. They are good with games that require detailed concentration.

• Mercury in the 6th – here you will see more of the perfectionist qualities coming out in their work; they appear slow because they require all of the facts.

• Mercury in the 7th has difficulty making up their minds about marriage, then they may marry hastily and rethink it later. They often have difficulty discussing the problems in the marriage.

• Mercury in the 8th is best suited for 8th House research and study.

• Mercury in the 9th can be the fact collector and they may not be able to get all of the answers that they want. Any planet in the 9th House can indicate an interruption in education. They often return to school later to complete their education.
• Mercury in the 10th may see a job as a learning experience where they will acquire the knowledge and experience that they need to know. They are thorough and reliable.

• Mercury in the 11th can be selective of friendships, preferring like-minded people who are brood and ponder types or more scientific thinkers. They prefer intellectual-type groups.

• Mercury in the 12th works very well at deep psychological and investigative level. A friend works as a therapist in the prison system. She said that she has thoughts buried so deep inside of herself that she does not even know what they are – and she does not even know how to get them out. They do not show others that they are depressed. They can experience problems with their sleep patterns.


There is an innate sense of unloveableness that seems to have been experienced all throughout the life. Sometimes there was no real event but a general feeling of not being loved as a child. This could actually be some real karmic pattern – truly brought over from a past life.

In feeling unloveable, not attractive, not being worthy, they learn to value what is often overlooked by others. This can make them very humanitarian in their life activities or they can just be attracted to people who take advantage of them.

With the humanitarian goals, they have a great capacity to dedicate themselves to a higher purpose.

A few years ago I looked at the horoscopes of Great Rescuers during WWII. Many of these people, because they feel that others were worth more than themselves, dedicated their lives and risked their lives to help the Jews escape the Nazis.

A neighbor with Venus R in Gemini in the 9th has never been interested in making a lot of money. He has often dedicated his life to a guru or inspirational teacher. Currently, he is in China teaching English. I have observed a pattern of people with Venus Retrograde moving to under-developed countries to teach English. They can make a lot of money in these jobs but they always feel that they are going great good for others.

They have blocks connected with expressing affection due to a fear of rejection.
Often a late bloomer, they do not bloom until they figure out what is the correct situation (career and relationships) for them – how to use this Venus and how to find love and fulfillment through the Venus Retrograde.

Example: One woman was a large but very attractive woman whose mother realized that she was never going to be a beauty queen. She always had a feeling of being unloveable because her appearance was not what her mother valued.
If anyone saw her, they could not deny that this was a very attractive woman (big beautiful woman). When Venus turned direct by progression, all of a sudden she started to accept herself, appreciate herself as a beauty on her own terms.
Sometimes, there can manifest self-centeredness as a defense against their unlovableness feelings. They need a lot of reassurance but this attitude does not really work for them.

Venus R is not just being unloveable but feeling unacceptable. These individuals often seek out those people who are a little eccentric, different, not of the ordinary mode – they seek new levels of relating where they feel that they truly belong and fit in.
They have a capacity to help others who themselves feel that they do not belong in the world of traditional values. They learn to appreciate others for less superficial reasons, other than show and appearance.
They often feel that they are not in tune with people that they consider shallow.
Being a bit anti-social, they feel more comfortable in 1-to1 relationships rather than social functions and parties where there is a lot of phoney, showy behavior.
They do not like superficial relating. They are definitely not the “cocktail party” types.

FEEDBACK: “I have always had trouble with peers, people my own age. I had to grow up early in life after the death of my mother.” She says that she has learned to be compassionate and understanding of others. However, I have observed that this woman had allowed men to take advantage of her. She tolerates too much from people who are abusive. Currently, she prefers to be alone. She now dedicates herself to animals.

There is a deep scar and wound in these people. It is how they learn to heal this in themselves that determines the course of their lives.

Venus R in the 2nd – Internal insecurity can make these people desirous of financial security. They can marry for money but it is because of an inner fear of rejection and insecurity. A woman may marry and older man for security.

EXAMPLES: One woman with Venus R in Aquarius in the 2nd was a prostitute who would fall in love with her customers and then give her services away for free. She would complain when she was not making money. Yet, she was very desirous of having money and fine possessions as proof of her worth.
Any planet within 6 degrees of the 2nd cusp is considered (in my personal observations) to be a 2nd House planet. Planets here need certain types of exercise — aerobics, Tai Chi, Yoga to stimulate the lymph and Chi in the body.
Another man with Venus R in 2nd in Aquarius always gave presents to other people so they would love him…but he was a very loveable man anyway. Another woman with Venus R in the 2nd House was a stripper and she did have sex for money. Her problem with the Venus R is that she would be so attracted to some of her customers that she gave away a lot of freebees just to be with that man.

Venus in the 3rd and 4th House need peace and quiet in their personal environment. They do not like quarreling, arguing and contention in their environment. They can have an “adopted” family.

Venus R in 4th: These people need a lot of love and reassurance from their family and an appreciation for the “home” that they create. Therefore, they can enjoy entertaining in their home but this is a means of seeking love and appreciation.

Venus R in 5th: I do not have strong observations about Venus R in the 5th. Remember, Venus R possesses some internal insecurity — often brought over from a past life. In love, they can be hesitant and need reassurance before opening their hearts.
A statement from a recent film applies to Venus R — we attract the love that we think we deserve.
Similar to Venus in the 12th House, they can accept love through their creative or recreative accomplishments. When this builds self-esteem, they can accept quality love in their lives.
Venus in the 6th House can undervalue themselves and their work. Some can be so insecure that they do not do their work, feeling that anything that they do is unworthy.

Venus in the 7th often prefers the unconventional in relationships. They can attract an undemonstrative partner. If you feel that you do not deserve more, you will not demand and get more.
Venus in 8th: It is important to understand the 8th House. This is the most obsessive House — many have different levels of OCD! Many of my friends have planets in the 8th because they are creative and intuitive but they can never ever stay in my home!
Planets in the 8th NEED obsessions but these must always be directed outside of themselves — internalizing causes extreme obsessiveness that is highly alienating. These people may obsess on a relationship but never express their feelings or, when they make their feelings known, it comes at an inappropriate time, whereby they get rejected.
Venus R here causes problems with intimacy and there can be issues around the partner’s finances. Healing or service-to-others and the welfare of others can be fulfilling.
Venus in the 9th often marries someone from a different social or cultural background. This can give them an edge of superiority. Because they feel that they do not fit in, the difference in the relationship is less threatening. Delays in education – they can put others through college before themselves or it gets postponed because of the needs of others.

Venus in the 10th has a shyness that is very obvious. They can allow bosses to take advantage of their work and recognition comes much later.

Venus in the 11th is a position that actually does better in group situations. 1-to-1s can be scarey. They can easily make sacrifices for the benefit of the group.

Venus in the 12th gives a larger overview of Venus Retrograde generally. In the 12th, there can be much internal scarring so that the individual may set themselves up as a victim in all relationships because they do not feel lovable.
Ideally, they work best with “unlovable people” as therapists, in the helping professions, championing the underdog.
They have problems when they judge themselves by traditional values, by other people’s standards. Happiness comes when they develop their own unique values about what is worthy, lovable and of value!

Feedback by student: Timing is a problem in relationships – meeting the right person at the wrong time. They feel that they do not deserve to reach out to another person. They lack relating confidence. Many feel that there is a “protective” quality to this Venus which comes at a critical moment in their lives.


Mars rules how we initiate, how we take the initiative and how we deal with and express anger.

Whenever I see this aspect, I have observed that the individual came from a family in which no one knew how to express or deal with anger. It signifies a family pattern and it will show up with the other family members in some way, with their Mars’ either by aspect or Interception.

With Mars R, reactions, aggressive urges and hostilities are internalized in some way. On the surface, they can appear calm but, inside, they can be a raging volcano. In other cases, anger is expressed inappropriately. And, it can be passive-aggressive in its indirectness. These people do not know how to express their anger.

The House position of Mars Retrograde is where you bottle up, bottle up, bottle up and then BOOM – they explode and cut off the situation. They feel anger inside but they do not know how to direct it and get it out.

They are rarely comfortable with direct, competitive activities, preferring to work alone or indirectly. This can manifest through encouraging the energies and supporting the enterprises of others…such as a coach.

EXAMPLE: A client with Mars Retrograde in Libra finds it too difficult to fire an employee. As the owner of a successful business, she hired an aggressive woman who LOVES to fire people…so this is her job.

When anger is internalized, it leads to various psycho-physical distresses, including depression. They can be accident prone but, statistically, accident-prone people live longer than other “angry” types because they will release their anger through jamming their toe on a chair rather than internalizing it for 20 years and suddenly dying of a heart attack!

FEEDBACK from Students:
1) In aggressive situations, I keep my mouth shut and “go mild.”
2) Alcoholic who drank rather than show anger. When this person stopped drinking, it released the anger.
3) Self-destructive and abusive relationships, also alcohol.
4) Gripes and complains a lot rather than do anything about problems.
5) Represses her anger until it does away. Her family immediately explodes with their anger and this anger is a distortion, over-reacting to what happened, she is afraid that she will be this herself so she keeps angry feelings inside.
6) Father was alcoholic and abusive – she learned not to say or do anything or the father would only get worse.
7) These individuals have a rather strong habit of suppressing anger, as well as their ambitions. This woman says that “this is something we have to deal with all our lives.”

Mars Progressed Retrograde Direct: My husband has Mars Rx along with five other retrogrades in his chart. When Mars turned Direct in his chart, he stopped drinking, became involved in 12-step recovery, got divorced and began to study Poekelan, an Indonesian martial art.

Mars R in 1st – While these people can appear very calm, there is a smoldering volcano underneath. Like a volcano, they have their calm and quiet periods followed by an eruption that seems to come out of nowhere. Anger can be expressed with regard to sex. In its positive expression, the 1st House is connected esoterically with advocacy work, battling what is perceived as unjust or unfair, especially when connected with Jupiter. Setting priorities and determining which cause to fight is essential.

Mars R in 2nd – There is a sabotaging pattern with anger – they can work hard, save their money and then one day they get angry at the wife, take out all of the money from their savings account in the bank and buy a Porsche…then they have to start all over again saving their money.

Mars R in the 3rd and 4th tends to get along with family members for years and then all of a sudden they instigate a big fight and never speak to them again. In the 3rd, there can be a change in the behavior during the school years – the quiet child who all of a sudden starts getting into fights with other children.

Mars R in the 5th does better motivating the creativity or recreativity of others. Dancing or playing the drums helps them release energy. There can be impulsiveness in romantic relationships. They need to learn to be participants rather than simply spectators.

Mars R in the 6th can be a perfectionist in work projects and this can sometimes alienate co-workers. This can be mis-directed internal anger issues. The health can suffer through frustration and nervous anxiety about their work. They can experience tension headache due to high Cortisol levels.

Mars R or D in the 7th indicates that marriage will be the “battle ground of your life.” When R, internalized anger can become mis-directed and projected onto others, causing tension in relationships and in dealing with the public. They much exercise caution against impulsiveness and acting belligerent with others and any anti-social behavior. They can instigate lawsuits but these will be fraught with costly delays.

Mars R in 8th can be very passionate but very troublesome internalized anger can impact sexual relationships. Using the “healing” powers of the 8th House, they have an ability to encourage and motivate others to success. They may marry someone who is not good with finances so they need to be in charge of the family resources.

Mars R in 9th: Any time there is a Retrograde planet in the 9th, the education may be interrupted and they go back to college at a later time. They need to be careful of legal confrontations and confrontations in foreign countries. They can be activists, projecting internal anger towards authority towards civil rights or environmental issues.

Mars R in 10th brings difficult with those in authority, which can hold them back professionally when they have to work under the thumb of others. They must always keep high standards in their work ethics or they can be plagued with scandals and losses. They always possess an ability to try, try again. They tend to be more successful in later life when they have learned some important lessons.

Mars R in 11th can cause many problems in groups and friendships. This energy is best projected onto activist activities with others who share a common vision.

Mars in the 12th often causes subconscious resentments, passive-aggressive behavior that they do not recognize in themselves but others clearly see it. It is best applied in helping the disadvantaged.

The House position of Mars Retrograde is where you bottle up, bottle up, bottle up and then BOOM – they explode and cut off the situation. They feel anger inside but they do not know how to direct it and get it out.

They are rarely comfortable with direct, competitive activities, preferring to work alone or indirectly. This can manifest through encouraging the energies and supporting the enterprises of others…such as a coach.

In your chart, this would apply to your one-to-one relationships. Anger issues are projected into the relationship but not in an obvious manner.


Some retrogrades are not bad at all and this is one of them. When Jupiter is Direct, there is a greater attunement to external appearances. The energy and appearance is more popular and acceptable.

When Jupiter is Retrograde, if you strive for material accomplishment and this is your main goal, you will find that these material things come up short; the more material/external your accomplishments, the more you will come to feel dissatisfied with your life.

There may be a great questing and seeking but, until they look inside, they will never find what they feel they are seeking.

There inner faith has some doubts or holes on it. This is why they are always searching for something that would give meaning to their lives – what they seek is anything that is philosophically uplifting.

I have a Direct Jupiter so I am always acquiring knowledge and information. If my Jupiter were Retrograde, I would need something that is more enriching internally.

Jupiter R often has an eye for quality because they are able to look beyond the externals. I tell my students that, where you find Jupiter R, this is where the individual has the ability to restore to life things that are considered dead or dying.

Jupiter rules playing a role in order to gain approval. Jupiter R does not want to play this role with anyone. When Jupiter is â„ž and afflicted, one individual stated that, in her family, you were only loved because you looked good, because you made a good appearance, and you were socially acceptable in everything that you said or did. Playing that role depleted the energies for the Jupiter R person. Playing a role is performing and not being real.

Jupiter R in Houses 2-6-8 have a natural healing ability but they do not always work directly in areas of physical healing. The Earth signs and Scorpio have the natural healing abilities. This includes animals, nature, and even objects (renovation and repair, especially with antiques, in the 2nd and 4th Houses). The natural ability to restore things to life.

They have a natural ability to restore things to life – but this is not always physical healing. This position is good for figuring out better ways to do the work, better methodologies.

Jupiter â„ž in the 1st identifies very strongly with anything spiritual, philosophical or expansive on inner levels. This could restrict the individual financially since the material side of the career or life activity is not appealing and not a primary focus. They could actually neglect the physical because they live so strongly in the philosophical realms. They should avoid excessive involvement in theoretical concepts.
• Rob Hand has Jupiter in Cancer R here!
• He loves ancient philosophies and systems that actually may not be practical.

Jupiter â„ž in Sagittarius in the 1st House – One friend confided that she sometimes feels manic/depressive because her family life, her life as she is living it, does not connect with her need for spiritual values that she can practice in her daily life.

Jupiter R in 2nd – Externals are not as important but you can have money through using the qualities of Jupiter R in the 2nd. Jupiter rules playing a role in order to gain approval.
• Jupiter R does not want to play this role with anyone.
• Playing that role depleted the energies for the Jupiter R person.
• Playing a role is performing and not being real.
• Others can be helpful financially during the course of the life.
HEALTH: Playing this role can make Jupiter R ill as it is not natural for this R planet. This would be blood sugar irregularities mostly. So, you are attracted to role playing people with Jupiter-Sun but you can never be truly close to such people.
Jupiter R has a natural ability to restore things to life. So, Jupiter R makes money restoring or finding value in something that others overlook. The natural ability to restore things to life— but this is not always physical healing. This position is good for figuring out better ways to do the work, better methodologies. The “warning” is to do what makes you happy and not worry about others “abandoning” you because you do not do what they want.
In healing, the 2nd House needs body movement to keep it healthy, such as Tai Chi, Yoga, Aerobics etc.
Any opposition from the 8th House indicates conflicting values in the partnership.

Jupiter R in the 3rd and 4th Houses have an ability and willingness to go back and make a connection/relationship work.
• One individual put a lot of energy into getting people in her family to get along with each other.
• Jupiter R will always try to go back and try to re-connect.
• They possess skills in renovations, restoring homes and buildings – they have a natural ability to want to revive/restore that building, to bring it back to life!

Jupiter R in the 3rd House can possess a unique way of re-establishing communications and solving communications problems, in the work or in family relationships. They habitually review plans.

Jupiter R in the 5th – I have seen them try to work out a relationship with a child, always trying to re-connect. In romance, they will put that extra energy into reviving that relationship in some way…making the re-connection.

They can be interested in educational programs and making reforms in these programs. So, they might do well joining the PTA. They can be sympathetic towards the less fortunate and educational programs affecting the less fortunate. Self-improvement activities are important to them.

Jupiter R in 6th may not always be understood by co-workers. They try to understand and make reforms in work procedures, work conditions and work methodologies. In health, diet improvements are encouraged.

Jupiter in the 7th wants a partner who brings philosophically uplifting growth into the married life. When the relationship is failing, they have an ability to revive the relationship. There can be a broken engagement. They possess skills in marriage counseling, helping couples get back together.

Jupiter R in 8th can bring delays in matters around legal issues, insurance and settlements. They do have the ability to rescue and transform their partner’s finances. They have a strong interest in metaphysical subjects.

Jupiter in the 9th often does not really know what they believe in so they are always seeking and searching. They can get hooked on a religion or philosophy and then realize that it goes not give them all the answers they desire. There are lots of doubts in their faith, especially when the life becomes difficult.
They often go back and re-education themselves at a higher level. One individual did not finish high school.

Jupiter R in the 10th will often go back to college to improve their professional skills. They should not change their job just when success is at their door step. Recognition definitely comes after their first Saturn Return or the 3rd Jupiter Return.

Jupiter R in 11th must be careful not to lose self in groups and organizations. But, they may possess a gift for rescuing, revitalizing and reorganizing groups and organizations. They can be influenced by groups because they are unclear about what their goals and aspirations really are.

Jupiter R in 12th has an interest in the less fortunate and they may become involved with humanitarian groups. They have an interest in medicine, psychology and spiritual ministry. They possess a capacity to sacrifice for others. I have a friend who is strongly interested in the spiritual side of life, rituals and astrology. He made sacrifices to take care of his mother for many years until she finally passed away. He stayed with his mother so that this wife could attend metaphysical events.


Saturn symbolizes the rules and regulations in the early environment. The sign shows the cultural/societal influences into which they were born.
• When Retrograde, you were never really taught an accurate sense of what the rules are and how much to you have to do in order to be responsible.
• You were not taught proper discipline but this does not mean that you were not disciplined but there was a certain vagueness about it so that you did not know when to stop yourself–when is it enough?
• They often have no idea of what they can or can not do.
• There is something missing in the relationship with the father that impacts the life – divorce, at work, on the road at lot, killed in a war or died early – with Neptune, he is preoccupied or ambivalent

Where you find Saturn R, this is where the individual has difficulty saying NO and defining boundaries. They have no clue where these boundaries are so that they have difficulty defining boundaries and setting limits for others as well as themselves.

Saturn R does not know its limitations. At times, these individuals confine themselves to a small corral when they could be roaming 40 acres; others can be so irresponsible that they think that they can roam 80 acres – and all of a sudden they crash into the societal limits that the legal system imposes. They have no boundaries – there is a real problem when Neptune or Pisces is also strong.
One individual confided that he does not always pay his bills, does not pay taxes, does not like to work, does not clean…what does he do?! He looks for women to take care of him.

When Saturn is R natally, these people need to teach themselves to say NO, to set boundaries, to learn exactly what is expected of them, and to learn an accurate sense of responsibility. They need to go out into the world and stake out their own boundaries, fight that invisible barrier they create for themselves.

There can be much anxiety in responsibility situations because they do not know how far they can go before their chain begins to choke them. This can cause problems WITH responsibilities due to the self-doubt engendered about when they can actually be permitted to say NO.

Saturn â„ž in 1st is very typical of the 1st House Saturn. First, this position often was unwanted during the gestation period. Saturn here assumes responsibilities for others in order to feel wanted or connected to others. The Direct Saturn can isolate with a set of barriers to protect them. When â„ž, these people take on responsibilities for others in order to feel wanted and because they do not know when to say NO.

FEEDBACK: 1) One woman said that she always felt like a guest in her own home while growing up. She feels guilty for so much in her life that she will not even take personal calls in the office or take a longer lunch break. 2) “I take care of everyone!” 3) Another woman fears being isolated or trapped.

They have problems defining what they do or do not owe other people, especially in the people Houses – 3-4-5-6-7-10-11

Saturn in the 2nd naturally feels that “you only get what you work for and you work hard for everything you get.” They observed their own parents working very hard to provide for them so they adopted this “work hard” pattern or philosophy. When â„ž, they can feel financially responsible for everyone – “My mom did everything for the family.” One individual said that her dad could not save money, poor Saturn structuring of boundaries, and he went bankrupt so this individual works very hard not to have this happen to her.

Saturn R in the 3rd and 4th often cannot say NO to the family members.
• In the 3rd, there can be early school problems because of that anxiety about how much do they have to do.
• Anxious students often have hearing problems and they misunderstand or make mistakes.
• That is, they are so anxious about being wrong that they do not hear correctly.
• When anxious, they become disoriented.

One individual with Saturn â„ž in the 3rd said that there was a cultural different so she had trouble communicating. She finally found improvement in her working relationships when she confessed her difficulty in communicating with others. Americans respond to such confessions and she immediately bonded with her co-workers who finally understood why she appeared so distant.

Saturn R in the 4th may have difficulty in identifying with the parents yet they cannot say NO. Assuming burdensome responsibilities may act to bond or connect them with family members (surely, they need to find another way). They may stay at home to take care of the parents. This could be due to a fear of being alone or in the dark.
• These people need to live at least 200 miles from their family in order to be their own person.
• Distance makes it easier to say NO

Saturn R in the 5th has trouble saying NO to children, especially the first born! Several had commented that they could say NO to the other children but not that first born!!
• One woman said that she is overly responsible, feeling that she had to do it all herself, and she never had a babysitter to help her.
• Another said that having the child really helped them to focus and get organized with other tasks in their life.
Their expressions of love towards others are often misunderstood.
They are not successful in gambling or speculation, unless very well aspected. They generally prefer save investment.

Saturn R in the 6th and 10th are perfectionists in their work because they do not know their boundaries. They have trouble putting their foot down, defining boundaries and saying NO so that bosses and employees take advantage of them. This is not an effective position for being a boss.

Saturn R in the 7th attracts parenting issues in relationships. They can attract an irresponsible partner and the relationship becomes a parent-child relationship that is never satisfying to either partner.
• The 7th House rules what we attract in others. Saturn in the 7th can attract parenting issues in relationships.
• If you are the disciplined one, then you may be the one who had to define boundaries for others.
• It is good that you understand how to say No or this could be a troublesome placement.

Saturn R in the 8th warns that you really know the partner’s financial circumstances (and how they handle money) before you legally tie yourself to this person because these can be a liability for you. S. Orman says that you need to look at your father’s attitude towards finances in order to see how you deal with financial matters. This is especially true with Saturn R in the 8th House.

Saturn R in the 9th, especially â„ž, should never be raised in a strict religious environment — but they usually are! One woman went to Catholic school and feels that she had religion shoved down her throat. They can get lost in religious dogma to a point where they do not know who they really are. They need to define a new value structure.
• Several students noticed a pattern of being raised by parents from different cultures or different backgrounds. This was often true of the 3rd H Saturn R.
• Lots of guilt here and maybe a lot of fear as well.
• They may go back for further education. Some interruption in the education is shown. One very brilliant man changed universities a lot due to self-doubts.

There is an attitude of rejection or not being good enough coming through the religious or philosophical attitude of the parents or church. If they accept this without question, they feel guilt and shame; if they reject this, they reject God.

✭ Saturn in the 9th might indicate or reflect as being rather uninterested in what other people’s opinions have to offer.
Saturn R has problems around the father and defining responsibility.
Saturn R in the 10th brings these problems to the work place. There is always a need to define boundaries and say NO so that others do not do this for you — then you are trapped by the demands of others. This Saturn R brings obstacles when you do not know yourself and your attitude towards responsibility. Until you do, success and recognition will be delayed to late in life.
In the 10th, Saturn R has problems around the father and defining responsibility — Saturn R in Gemini does not like any limiting responsibilities. They work best out of their heads and knowing exactly what is expected — so they know their free time.
Saturn R in the 10th brings these problems to the work place — you said that you do not like to work. There is always a need to define boundaries and say NO yourself so that others do not do this for you — then you are trapped by the demands of others.
This Saturn brings obstacles when you do not know yourself and your attitude towards responsibility. Until you do, success and recognition will be delayed to late in life.
Saturn in the 11th is often raised in a world of adults so that they often do not fit in with their peers. When D, they seek a functional purpose in a group in order to feel that they belong.
When ℞, they can become terrified of groups (they were often raised by adults too and they may not relate well to people their own age). Direct assumes responsibilities in groups but the ℞ people often say that they never do this because of “self imposed limitations.”

Saturn in the 12th has a lot of fears connected with authority and abandonment. They often isolate themselves and appear anti-social. These people either find a safe government job where they can work independently or they become self-employed.


✭ One student commented that she was not allowed to do anything for herself – from the routine things like doing laundry, cooking and cleaning so, as an adult, she does not know how to set limits for herself.
✭From Pat G:
Although the Saturn retrograde phenomena may indeed suggest loss of the father, the retrograde condition more likely suggests the absence of authoritative guidance provided by the father. The father may be present but not involved in the child’s development. Work may usurp all of his time. He may be unable to give such guidance because of his own lack of structure. Or he may be tyrannical or an anachronism. The situation is really one of dysfunction whether the actual father is present or not.

ATTENTION: There are conditions that require modification of this guideline. A retrograde Saturn in the 10th in Capricorn is unlikely to signify an absence of authority. Also, when there is an absence of the father in actuality, there are compensating configurations such as lunar node aspects. These configurations suggest the maternal presence that provides that guidance. Single mothers are both mom and dad.


This is not a bad position to have. It is more rebellious but these people may not always see themselves as rebellious. Like Mars, it is where you bottle up, bottle up, bottle up and then rebel!

When Direct, the individual finds that their intuition, sense of rebellion and independence flow naturally like in a stream.
When â„ž, it gets blocked initially (not honored by the individual who sees him or she self as very normal) and then it explodes. Intuition has fits of explosion that seems more creative over all – they have a dry spell (in weather, when you have no rain) when they do not feel creative at all and then BOOM!

Retrograde makes Uranus more potent when it explodes forth! Because it builds up, it has a higher energy level when it expresses itself.

The Reformer Complex is quite strong with Uranus â„ž so they can make mountains out of molehills – something small can get blown up into something very big. It can be more dogmatic yet they may deny what is going on because they see themselves as being very normal.

The difference between D and R is that R see themselves as being quite normal when they are not. They are less aware and not always in touch with Uranus within themselves.
A friend with Uranus R unaspected in the 9th House finds it impossible to incorporate her metaphysical knowledge into her professional life (she is a psycho-therapist).

• Students have commented that they feel that they must change first before then can rebel against the situation.
• They need to learn WHY they need to rebel in order to validate themselves and make changes.

Uranus in the 1st is highly independent anyway but, when R, the individual may not always realize how super-independent he or she really is! This emphasizes the Uranus R’s need to be involved in activities associated with reform and rehabilitation. The “bottle-up-rebel” pattern colors all areas of their lives and manifests as a “comply-change/rebel” quality in relationships, the career or even the residence.

Uranus R in 2nd is not in touch with the need to be unconventional in how they earn a living. If they get into normal jobs, it manifests in a lack of financial stability – they do not realize that the instability is part of their rebelling against the normal.

• Stability comes from doing the unconventional.
• Being in a very secure, high-level government job would not make them happy in the long run. They would probably get sick or get fired!
• It may take them a long time to realize this need to be unconventional in their work – the longer it takes, the more disruptive the change will be.

Uranus R in the 3rd is like Mars, manifesting problems in the early education due to sudden rebellious urges. I have observed people tolerating their siblings and then one day just breaking off the relationships completely.

Uranus in the 4th can make normal choices for home, family and living environment but these never seem to work. Their early home life appeared normal but it was not. There can be an aptitude for environment reforms.

Uranus in the 5th – They see themselves as normal but others see them as anti-social and they always feel left out of these normal situations. They are unconventional and, therefore, become “wallflowers” until they find their place in an unconventional world.

Uranus R in the 6th House has a very sensitive physical body. They should not over-work or work when tired or upset. This can lead to health problems. They prefer to work alone because, being around other people’s electro-magnetic fields (auras), is disruptive to their own energy field. This can make them abrupt and impatience with co-workers. They do best in making reforms in the work systems. They get bored easily and need to move on, if they cannot work alone.

Uranus R in the 7th prefers a sudden, “in-love” feeling in a relationship. When the relationship becomes normal and not very exciting, it suddenly ends. They may not even understand why. Everything seems to be going just fine and then POP… that’s the end of the relationship. They are not good at relationship confrontations. I have observed that they prefer to live in the “in-love” stage and not deal with a relationship when it becomes real. I knew one man who always ended a relationship when the woman seems that, despite his PhD, he is a failure in life (never paid taxes). He bought a new relationship so he could “tell his story anew.”

Uranus R in the 8th – one individual said that they were very good at getting people to change their financial habits. They experience strange events that seem beyond their control. These events can be life-changing. They often have powerful psychic or multi-dimensional experiences. As a result of a death around them, the life is completely altered – and this is often for the good.
• When a woman’s cousin died, she looked in the coffin and saw the cousin smiling and happy
• She thought – if I died today, would I be happy? Hell No – so she went home and told her husband that she was unhappy and wanted a divorce.

Uranus R in the 9th can produce problems with orthodox religions and traditional educational programs. They need to find their own innovative way in these areas. They can thrive upon activist activities and reform in politics.

Uranus in 10th, like Direct, does best in some job where another has given up or failed – how much worse can they do if the previous person failed. Uranus does not like comparisons with others. They may not be good at starting at the ground level of a professional activity.

Uranus in the 11th is given to sudden goal changes that seem to come out of nowhere. Groups based upon reform and activism are favored.
• One friend is always getting into arguments or hurt feelings within groups and she always quits
• Some find it easier to be friends at a distance; close relationships trigger defense mechanisms

Uranus in the 12th fears being crazy – this was actually a parent’s fear. A parent may have criticized their behavior – “You do not want people to think you are crazy?!” Therefore, they become afraid that they might be judged crazy. They need to become involved with New Age or other unconventional people in order to feel comfortable with themselves.
• One friend feared the judgment of others for her interest in astrology. Astrology magazines were hidden in her desk drawer or kept at home. When she went to an astrology meeting, she finally felt at home
• Years ago I gave readings for ARE members to raise money for the local organization. So many of these people had Uranus in the 12th House. Their involvement in groups that believed in reincarnation, astrology and other metaphysical subjects provided a safe haven for their unconventional side. It was a place where they could feel normal.


When Neptune is Direct, its House position is where you seek to fulfill your dreams, where you can manifest things, and where you seek to escape reality and, when it is Direct, it is much easier to get a handle on what that dream or vision really is. Direct rules more traditional forms of creativity.

Neptune R tends to be vague, unclear and the individual may not know exactly what they are looking for in expressing their personal creativity.

If Neptune turns direct by progression, it signifies that time when they suddenly realize what they want to do creatively – it can be something that they have been doing all along and did not realize it!

Neptune rules where you have an ability to manifest, to creative from your imagination, but R may not be aware of this ability. Neptune R is extremely sensitive, more so than direct, because of the connection with unseen realms. This is where their creativity expresses itself – through the psychic, the metaphysical, the intuitive, the spiritual, the humanitarian – not something traditionally seen as creative.

Because of their heightened sensitivity, they need to avoid drugs, alcohol and stimulants. The tendency is stronger to cultivate addictions to dull the astral body, the solar plexus, and this can get them into trouble.

This heightened sensitivity can encourage fears, paranoia and phobic conditions – that connection with the unseen realities, the veil between the seen and the unseen.

These people are naturally very psychic but they may not realize this. This may engender fears of the unseen which they do not understand.

These people pick up a lot from the astral plane – other people’s thoughts and feelings can be perceived as their own. Smoking often cuts off the astral stimulation.

EXAMPLE: When I am giving tarot reading, if there is too much smoke around me, my psychic ability is cut off and my intuition is gone. I have observed psychics and other sensitive people who smoke to cut off this “picking up” of others energies because it is just too draining.

This Neptune is not clear about what it wants because it is not something tangible that they seek.
They can more readily pick up qualities in another that the person will never manifest in reality. This can cause them to attract “Losers.” They see the potential…a potential that never becomes a reality.

Neptune in the 1st is so receptive to the environment that they do not know who they are or what they feel. They must learn some type of discipline, setting up boundaries, so that they can tell the difference between their mood and another’s mood. Read the Empath article on this website.

Neptune R in the 2nd is not a lot different than D. These people always need to view finances realistically. Generally, Neptune in the 2nd indicates that parents never really showed you how to do things and, therefore, you do not always know the value of your efforts.
• Money may come magically; then it disappears magically.
• For me, my mother would put me on a budget but my grandmother would slip me $20.
• So, obviously, this is not a realistic position for Neptune, D or R.
Having Neptune in my 2nd, I had to teach myself everything about money and the value of my efforts. This has not been easy. But, money always seems to appear magically when I need it. If I want something badly enough, I can manifest it.

Since I know how vulnerable I am or unknowledgeable in financial matters, I am very cautious about the get-rich-quick schemes and I never lend money to someone who I fear will not pay it back. Neptune R may not do this.
• They can use Mental Magic to manifest money.
• There is a need to be more practical in financial matters. I know this about myself – no boundaries!
• Spending depends upon my mood. But, I do know myself so I pay all of my bills every month. I have no interest charges.
• Since Neptune rules my 8th and it is sextile Venus in the 11th, I do receive money from others, esp. family members.

I work hard but I do not receive adequate reward – I never think about money when I give lectures, especially abroad. I am very Neptunian about money but I do manifest what I need.

COMMENT: What you said about natal Neptune in the 2nd rang very true. Growing up, I wasn’t taught very much, and it made it much more difficult to feel confident as I entered the adult world (Neptune/Mercury/Jupiter in the 2nd/3rd square Moon in the 5th and semi-square Saturn in the 4th).

COMMENT: My parents definitely saw their children as extensions of themselves and not as autonomous individuals with their own strengths/needs/feelings. It’s taken a lifetime to become aware of those old patterns and how they affected me in relationships. Even now, when something goes wrong with our digital TV or computer, I’ll ask my husband (the techno whiz) to SHOW me what he’s doing, rather than just fix it. Developing a sense of confidence regarding my ability to take care of things remains important.

Neptune in the 3rd is often attracted to using a nickname because it changes their vibration. A study in numerology is helpful here. They have an affinity with numbers. They sometimes get lost easily.

Neptune in the 4th is overly empathetic to conditions in the home but they may not realize this. They must find a calm, serene domestic environment and living space. A place in the woods with nature would be nice. Chaos and disorder are stressful. There is always a family secret – some “skeleton in the closet.” There can also be a pattern of alcoholism in the family and this can be the secret.

My favorite Neptune R in the 4th is about a man whose father suddenly disappeared and he was never seen again. As an adult, he learned that his mother wanted to get rid of this man (probably an alcoholic). Since he spoke Spanish, she got him drunk and put him on a plane to take him as far away as possible and where he could speak the language – she choose Argentina.

Neptune in the 5th and 7th Houses are continually looking for a vague type of perfection in relationships. They do not know how idealistic they really are! Disappointment ensues. Neptune in relating Houses seek relationships in order to escape the pain of the reality in their lives. When they start to feel the pain, they move on.

Neptune in 6th is super-sensitive to the work environment and chaos therein. They need an ideal to fulfill in their job but they can be naive in relating – change jobs and long to find what they really want to do…which they may not find.
• They cannot work in office environments that look like an “unmade bed.”
• They need to work in an office environment with good colors and order (everything in its place and a place for everything)

Neptune R in the 7th should never mix friends and money. They must avoid people who arouse sympathy – people whom they seek to rescue. There is no such thing as a rescuer – only 2 people vying for the victim slot.
• They can be victimized by only seeing the potential in another rather than actually what is.
• They idealize their relationships, becoming a victim when others do not live up to their delusion
• They idealize others who are actually what they want to be – be that yourself and do not look for this in others

Neptune R in the 8th can have a lot of denial issues around the partner’s finances and handling of finances. There can be problems with taxes, insurance matters and how money is invested.

A woman with this position told me that her husband would forget about paying bills, misplace them or ignore them all together so she always took charge of financial matters in the marriage – and this is exactly what this Neptune wants her to do!

I have a very long interpretation of Neptune in the 8th that could make an article but, when R, the individual really needs to be aware of what the partner does with joint finances. Do not just sign your joint tax forms without knowing what is on the forms.
The problem with Neptune in the 8th is that it can distort reality to suit the individual’s needs. A relationship can be terrible or wonderful, depending upon the perspective. Yet, the 8th House, ideally, is strongly connected with multi-dimensional realities; it has strong psychic and healing abilities; all of these need to be in service to others rather than focused upon one’s self. When 8th House people focus upon themselves, everything gets distorted.
Neptune R in the 9th is looking for utopian ideas for living on this planet. Since there aren’t any, they get disillusioned a lot. They can even become cynical. Utopia cannot be found in a place. This is another addictive position.

Neptune R in the 10th wants to do something creative with their lives but they usually do not know what it is that they want to do. Neptune R is more humanitarian and spiritual (like a yoga teacher) rather than an artist (D).

EXAMPLE: I once taught a Career class using astrology. All of the students in that class had a strong Neptune – they were not use of what they wanted to do professionally, they were studying for a career for which they were ill-suited or they longed for some type of greatness professionally.

Neptune in the 11th express the vagueness is seeking ideals and people who embody such ideals. They do not really know what they are looking for – often to escape the pain and fear in their personal lives – and they are periodically attracted to people whom they feel embody some sought after ideal.
It is the vision of the moment because they are not really clear about what they are truly seeking. When it is not what they want (or when the group demands a commitment), they move on to something else.

These people can find themselves working in groups, helping those with addictive personalities – such as the 12-Step groups of Alcoholics Anonymous (all types of addicts – drugs, alcohol, sex, food).

As a House of Groups and Friendships, these people can get caught up with affiliating with disorganized groups (spiritual people are rarely organized), groups that have a wonderful ideal of saving the planet but no one really knows what they are doing.

In choosing friends, there is an attraction to dreams and alcoholics. They should never mix friends and money. They must avoid people who arouse sympathy – people whom they seek to rescue. There is no such thing as a rescuer – only 2 people vying for the victim slot.

Neptune in the 12th is so highly mediumistic that coping with reality may be difficult.


Pluto is more intense when Retrograde and this intensity is highly psychological which can make them more suspicious of others because they pick up more at that psychological level.
• Pluto D is more interested in external power – a great job, lots of money
• Pluto R is definitely more psychological – investigation, healing, transformational

They register the unseen very quickly, they see the negative side more easily but they need to cut this off because it will isolate them from life and people.

These people have much greater insights into the subconscious. This makes them more loners and introverted. They may have trouble relaxing around many people due to the psychological process and registering so much information.

Powers of regeneration and rejuvenation are incredible in its House position.

Pluto in the 1st (but not within 6 degrees of the 2nd cusp) can first be interpreted as influencing the mother’s attitude during the gestation period.
• With Pluto rising, mother felt angry, resentful and very resistant to being out of control while pregnant.
• There may have been tensions occurring within the family and mother internalized the anger with powerful emotions.
• Even the unborn child felt feelings of being out of control by what was happening during gestation!

With Pluto R, the influence is more psychological rather than expressing an external need to control the environment. As a child, the individual learned to pick up subtle cues from adults – picking up good moods or bad moods, when to assert or when to step back. They make good psychologists or they do well in jobs where profiling others is important. Their powers of physical regeneration are phenomenal!

When Retrograde, these people periodically go through major life transformations. When they are in this process, they withdraw, seem remote and detached but this is their style of transformation.
In the 1st, the early years can have difficulty or health issues. However, with the Retrograde, recuperative abilities are powerful. The intensity of this Pluto is best utilized in service to others — medical, legal or coordinating the concerns of the public.
Pluto in the 2nd wants control over its own resources. D is a power issue. R fears the psychological vulnerability. NOTE: Pluto or any planet is considered influencing the 2nd House if it is within 6 degrees in the 1st House, near the 2nd cusp.
• Obsess over being in control over their own resources and not having another control what they have – what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine
• They can share but they will not be forced to do so

Pluto in the 3rd can control the minds of others through intense focus. This can make them great teachers, people who can positively influence the minds of others. They can be rebellious in school, resenting the controls in the system. They do not like shallow information and can actually go into too much detail when asked for an answer.
• Tension in sibling relationships
• Developed an ability to size up strengths and weaknesses in family members as a survival measure

Pluto R in 4th: Any planet in the 4th House, even a “nice” planet, can produce a traumatic event in the childhood. This describes a psychologically controlling or manipulative parent but the child has the ability to gain good psychological insights into the family dynamics that can, ultimately be used in the career or avocation. If the parents divorce, the child may try to get them back together. There can be a separation from the parents or someone in the family over which the child has no control.
• On a positive note, the individual can be into renovations – a positive type of control.
• You can always control things but never people. This is only an illusion.

Pluto R in the 5th, there can be difficulty expressing the creative potential. Pluto R is more psychological, such as working with children or playing chess.
• These people can be late bloomers as a result but not always.
• With their own type of creativity, they have an intense concentration and focus upon this activity.

With Pluto in the 5th, these people need to BE SOMEONE — and they need to develop their creative potential BEFORE having children. Their first born is likely to be talented and this can arouse envy or psychological manipulation (stage mother/father).

This is a very general statement and one need to look at the entire chart.
However, creative and recreative activities are important, especially where the individual uses the mind to a psychological advantage, such as chess and certain sports.

Pluto in the 6th will be very intense in their work. They cannot handle interruptions. This can cause alienation with co-workers.
• These people work best alone.
• Not team players generally.

Pluto in the 7th is a bit difficult to establish cooperation because the intensity is so strong that the loner tendencies do not function well sharing the life with another person.

Pluto in the 7th denotes control issues that manifest in all one-to-one relationships. If you are a paid consultant, this is fantastic. However, in a marriage or marriage-type relationship, one person is more controlling. One partner can first appreciate the attention but the danger is that this behavior becomes disempowering.

You need to look at the horoscope to determine who controls and who turns over control to another. Sometimes this really works…but, if the controlled partner is rebellious, it will not work.

This is not a bad omen for marriage but a later marriage seems best. They need to learn to compromise and give the other person what they want in order that you get what you want.
• One client gave her husband an office of his own in order to get him out of the house so she would not be expected by him to be a house wife (she started her own business)
• One client is a psychotherapist

Pluto in the 8th often feels that they have had to take control of the finances in the marriage. This causes cooperation problems. Another woman said that it was her husband who wanted to be in control and pay all of the bills but he never did – and this caused the friction.

Control issues are very powerful, especially with the Retrograde that has strong psychological implications. They make for wonderful healers – physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, economic/financial and technological.
• One man said that he did not fix computers – he heals computers
• One woman reorganizes failing companies so that they can be sold at a profit

Any Retrograde planet in the 9th often indicates that the individual will go back to school in later life. The individual may have dropped out of college because of problems in the educational system but they go back when they know what they want to learn and do career-wise.
Pluto in the 9th R does not like traditional religion – they cannot be who they really are with such rigid judgments by the religion and they can see the hypocrisies in the religious leaders.
The D feels the same but may become very rigid and dogmatic in their beliefs — so the rule is to avoid all traditional, dogmatic, judgments religions! Pluto in 10th – Both R and D in the 10th have problems with authority figures. When they work in an office, they need the boss to disappear and let them do their job. They re-organize the office system so that it is uniquely their own. Sometimes Pluto R does not always receive the recognition that they deserve. But, both need to be in charge. They need to be more mindful of how they treat people in their office, co-workers and employees because they can be a bit controlling and inflexible.
They can be rebellious of authority, especially authority that tries to control or dictate terms to them.
Pluto in the 11th is not a group position but the individual has a gift for going into a group situation, revitalizing it, getting things focused and then leaving. They have a talent for setting the group organization up for another to take over. They do best in ad hoc group situations, coming only to revitalize the group or restructure it for success.

In groups, they can feel like one of the rebellious lemmings going to sea – and they do not want to follow the crowd.

Pluto in the 12th is extremely intense to the point of being strongly disposed for research, investigations and their greatest asset is the ability to help other people help themselves.
• They have probing insight that psychologically analyzes.
• They can quickly pick out another’s strengths and weaknesses so that they are able to help people help themselves.
• Like Pluto D, this is a highly protective position in life-threatening situations.

  1. Lynn Koiner Says:
    Question about ADD & MERCURY RETROGRADE:

    Mercury R and ADD is only in connection with afflictions between the 3-6-12 Houses. This was based upon research conducted by a school teacher in Virginia. You did not read this sentence in the article correctly.

    A large proportion of the original astronauts from the first space program had Mercury R so it has nothing to do with intelligence. Interestingly, these astronauts had their Mercury positioned most frequently in Scorpio and Pisces.
    I had a relative who worked for the space program.

  2. Lynn Koiner Says:

    PLUTO R in 7th HOUSE: Pluto in the 7th denotes control issues that manifest in all one-to-one relationships. If you are a paid consultant, this is fantastic. However, in a marriage or marriage-type relationship, one person is more controlling. One partner can first appreciate the attention but the danger is that this behavior becomes disempowering.
    You need to look at the horoscope to determine who control and who turns over control to another. Sometimes this really works…but, if the controlled partner is rebellious, it will not work.

    About Venus, I never use the inner planets for prediction. Venus transiting the 12th can affect you and recognition is better found in distant places.

  3. Lynn Koiner Says:
    JUPITER R & DEPRESSION Q: Jupiter R does not predispose one to depression. Jupiter R causes one to doubt their faith when the going gets rough.
    Mars rules depression. Later, I will have a manual on DEPRESSION: THE ACUTE MARS DYSFUNCTION.
    Mars R is likely to cause this when anger is internalized and energies are depressed. Mars in Sagittarius 1) Needs a vision to aim towards – without one, the individual can get depressed; 2) they need physical exercise to counteract depression, esp. the upper legs with biking, hiking and aerobics.
    4th House planets tend to dwell too much on the past.

    I do not make an interpretation of “many planets retrograde.” Some astrologers do but I never do this. I interpret the retrogrades in the chart just as I have done in the article. Just read them individually. Some planets, like Jupiter and Uranus, are often better than when Direct.

  4. Lynn Koiner Says:

    It is said that people with a Retrograde planet are more in tune when that planet goes R by transit. This would probably only work with the personal planets — Mercury/Venus/Mars. And, I only have experience with Mercury R. I tell this story — years ago, when our astrology group was organizing a big conference while Mercury was R, everything was chaotic. Then, our president called upon all of the members who were born with Mercury R. The organizing while Mercury was R went on without a hitch.

    But, if you have Mercury R natally, you will still be affected by other people who are having difficulty with the transiting Mercury R — others being late, canceling etc.

    I feel that transiting Venus R is good for shy people to be more outgoing.

    I am not sure about Mars R natally but you have given a good answer with your own experience.

  5. Lynn Koiner Says:

    I have a very long interpretation of Neptune in the 8th that could make an article but, when R, the individual really needs to be aware of what the partner does with joint finances. Do not just sign your joint tax forms without knowing what is on the forms.

    The problem with Neptune in the 8th is that it can distort reality to suit the individual’s needs. A relationship can be terrible or wonderful, depending upon the perspective.

    Yet, the 8th House, ideally, is strongly connected with multi-dimensional realities; it has strong psychic and healing abilities; all of these need to be in service to others rather than focused upon one’s self. When 8th House people focus upon themselves, everything gets distorted.

  6. Lynn Koiner Says:

    PROGRESSED STATION: You asked a very good question.
    When a natal planet is Station (Solar Fire software puts an S by the planet in the horoscope wheel), it is the most powerful planet in the chart.
    If often describes the career direction.

    I have Mercury S – in its fall (Leo) and in the 12th. Yet, I am a teacher-lecturer-writer-communicator. It was not easy to “come out” so to speak. I passed on many speaking requests for years until one day I knew that I was ready.

    With Mercury Station/Retrograde, JK Rowling started writing the Harry Potter books.
  7. Lynn Koiner Says:

    PROGRESSED URANUS CHANGING DIRECTION: I thought I had material on Uranus changing direction but I do not. It is important to know what happened when Uranus changed direction. I can be that, when it returns to the degree and minute at birth, you will be better able to integrate Uranian talents into your life.

    When Uranus changed direction in my chart, my grandfather was placed in a nursing home as he had become very ill. I had very psychic dreams during that period of my life.

    I also conducted astrological research that gained recognition at a later time…sorry I cannot give a lot of information but this is a rare phenomena.

  8. Lynn Koiner Says:

    NEPTUNE AND THERAPY (6-2012): First, you need to read my Neptune transit article.
    Second, Neptune is so deluding that therapy is helpful. DO NOT use a therapist who sits and listens. You need a therapist who tells you like it is — a Dr. Phil type.

    Also, if you have a friend who is super-candid and speaks the truth, talking to this person can help.

    Neptune ends through dissolving all that is not real.

  9. Ken Says:

    Based on an earlier comment here – I have Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th house marked as Sd (Stations Direct?) in my chart, so this should be considered the most powerful planet in my chart?

    Also, I have N. Node in Pisces (11th house) marked with a d (direct?) which seems to be rare for the N. Node; would this also be weighed more strongly than a typical N. Node?

    “I have a very long interpretation of Neptune in the 8th that could make an article.”
    I’d be highly interested in seeing this! The tax problems and partner finance problems you mention are applicable to me.


  10. Lynn Koiner Says:

    KEN (4-2013): You have asked some very good questions.
    Yes, the S or ST after a planet — in your case, Neptune — indicates that it is Station and it will (at least in my observations) be the most powerful planet in the chart.

    The Station planet is powerful — good or bad. Mercury is S in my chart and it makes for being a powerful communicator but, when there are problems in my thinking, reasoning and listening to others, I get hearing problems — since I was 6 months old. Singletons and ST planets are both powerful and, when the energy does not flow correctly, they can cause health issues.

    Neptune is powerful in the 8th House through some type of healing ability. I will post the 8th House interpretation from my medical classes. Remember, healing can be physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, economic and even technological (the man who set up the computer system for the U.S. Post Office said that he did not Fix computers — he healed computers. This is a perfect statement for an 8th House person.

    If not used probably, the 8th House is an obsessive House — and 8th House people NEED OBSESSIONS (research, investigation, observing information outside of themselves).

    This is a talent but it can lead to OCD. I must add that most of my friends have 8th House planets and they have varying degrees of OCD — they are such super creative and intuitive people and we have much to discuss.

    Now I do not think of Neptune as OCD but it can distort perceptions. Neptune can compromise the immune system when exhausted and stressed.

    I do not use the Nodes as being R/D. I studied astrology at a time when we used the Mean Nodes – no R/D. I have not found these important since they are not objects in the sky.

    Neptune in the 8th S can be a wonderful placement. A friend became an acupuncturist with this position. She was also a student of metaphysics as well — a dear, sweet lady who traveled around the world helping her husband research whales.

    Yet, I had a client who was in total denial about her abusive husband. She could not see this … and I did not need to force her to be objective about the relationship, since it was a survival mechanism for her.

    EIGHTH HOUSE: This House rules all things beyond our control and our attitude towards these things. It is the most obsessive house – all planets here act obsessively. Bowing to the Sun helps direct the energy outward. Cultures, as in the orient, that practice bowing do not experience psychological obsessiveness. It rules the resources of others, mass resources, how the partner handles money, our attitude towards sharing. There are strong control issues indicated here. It is essential that these individual learn when to release to others. They cannot always control. They need to learn to just let it go. When these people change, when the transform themselves, they do it in an instant. This could be giving up smoking, losing weight or major lifestyles changes. Once they make up their minds, they do it completely and immediately.

    ESOTERIC: This is a Healing House – healing those who are totally out of control. But, healing can be physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, economic and even technological. It has great power for transformation and rejuvenation. Neptune here rules a spiritual guide of someone we knew in our youth. With the 4th and 12th, it rules our connection with our Soul Group. When there are strong afflictions between the 4th and 12th Houses, this often indicates a violent death in the past life. This can be part of the trauma. It rules psychic dreams, out of body experiences, life after life studies, near death experiences (inconjunct to ruler) and a connection with spirit guides. It can help others make transitions.
    It is our attitude towards death – do we fear God? Saturn in the 8th is often afraid of God. But, studies in reincarnation and life after death are transformational for these individuals, liberating them from the fear. It is also a House of Inventions. Spiritually, it is associated with finding money for those in need. A lesson is found in learning acceptance through studies in reincarnation.
    NOTE: Liberating and change can come with the death. A friend with Virgo rising and the Moon in the 8th helped others cross over.

    MEDICAL: This is a powerful healing and medical House. These people have an ability to intensely investigate what seems like unsolvable problems, especially medical problems. This House is not necessarily associated with health issues but rather with healing abilities on the part of the 8th House person. Psychologically, there is a pattern of obsessiveness that can lead to health issues.

  11. Ken Lange Says:

    Thank you so much for this.

    This has been a revelation to me. I’ve made Stationary Planets my newest obsession, and honestly I now cannot believe there is not more information about this. The most I’ve found devoted to this topic is chapter 4 of James Braha’s Art And Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology. I’ve found passing mention of stationary planets in other books, but I wish there was a book devoted to the topic.

    I finally have an astrological explanation as to why I’m so sensitive, which is not apparent from my natal chart with an Aries Ascendant along with Sun and Mars in Leo in the 5th house. There are other factors toning those down: Moon in Scorpio (7th house), Saturn in Taurus (end of the 1st house), Sun and Mars squared to Saturn, and maybe Venus in Libra (6th house).

    As for the healing, I actually work with computers, but I’m also an artist, musician, and poet, and ultimately my real goal is to provide inspiration and healing through art (painting and photography) and music (guitar and vocals), and words (poetry, lyrics). Healing is further supported by a possible stellium of 4 planets in the 6th house; Mercury/Pluto/Venus/Uranus. Mercury and Pluto are in Virgo; Venus and Uranus are in Libra. Jupiter is also in Libra but in the 7th house, making a string of 3 planets in Libra – also potentially a stellium, but the degrees may not be close enough. The art/music is supported by the first signs listed above as well as Venus in Libra sextile Neptune in Scorpio.

    The healing modalities that I’ve explored through getting treatments are; Acupuncture, Tomatis sound healing, Malcolm Smith hands-on healing, massage therapy, Reiki, EMF Balancing, Derek O’ Neill energy star, Ayurveda, and Qi Gong. I’ve gotten level 1 and 2 attunements in the system of Usui Reiki.

    In researching prominent people in history looking for stationary planets, and it’s coming up a lot, for better and worse: Hitler had Jupiter and Saturn stationary, Beethoven had Neptune exactly stationary, Elvis had Uranus stationary, Jimi Hendrix had Jupiter and Pluto stationary, Bram Stoker had Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune stationary, and Jerome Kerviel has Jupiter, Pluto, and Chiron stationary.

    The people I’ve found with Neptune Stationary are:

    Neptune Stationary Direct – Alec Guinness (Can / 5th house) , Alexander Scriabin (Ari / 11th house), Aung Sun Suu Kyi (Lib / house?), Beethoven (Vir / 10th house – exact stationary – 0 speed.), Billie Holiday (Can / 6th house), Bram Stoker (Aqu / house?), Elliott Smith (Sco / 6th house), Jim Jones (Vir / 8th house) and Mer Sd (Leo / 8th house), J.K. Rowling (Sco / 2nd house), Kevin Haskins (Sco / ?), Marshall Applewhite (Vir / 5th-6th house), Nick Drake (Lib / 3rd house), Peter Murphy ( / 2nd house), William Lilly (Leo / 6th house)

    Neptune Stationary Retrograde – Charles Baudelaire Ura & Nep Sr (Cap / 4th house), F. Scott Fitzgerald (Gem / 5th house), John Frusciante (Sag / house?), Kurt Cobain (Sco / 3rd house), Lord Byron (Lib / 5th house?), Osho Nep (Nep-Vir / 8th house) and Jup Sr (Jup-Leo / 7th house), Paul Gauguin (Pis / 7th house), Nick Leeson (Sco / house?), Syd Barrett (Lib / 12th house)

    The one 2 I’ve found with Neptune Stationary and in the 8th house are Jim Jones and Osho, but both are complicated by Jim Jones had Neptune and Jupiter Stationary in the 8th house and Osho having Neptune Sd in the 8th and Jupiter Sr in Leo in the 7th house.

    The characteristics I’m noticing with Neptune Stationary appear to be acute sensitivity, involvement with drugs – particularly alcohol and opiates, unique art forms in art/music/writing, suicide, lack or clarity around cause of death, and involvement with cults.

    I have a feeling I’m learning about all this because Neptune is transiting near my 12th house; the recent direct and stationary movements have made Neptune inch closer to my 12th house but not completely over/in it yet. I’ve been feeling a little spaced out since back in January – I’m trying the Clematis which you recommended elsewhere, which does seem to be helping.

    It’s interesting to note that Liz Greene, in her book on Neptune (reading it now) says that Jim Jones did not have a Neptune dominant chart compared to Janis Joplin. From learning about his Stationary Neptune in the 8th, I would say his chart was even more dominated by Neptune, obviously in an extremely negative way; the 900 people that he convinced to commit ‘revolutionary suicide’ was the highest death toll in a non-war setting for America prior to the events on 9/11.


  12. Lynn Koiner Says:

    DEBORAH (6-2013): No, you did not quite understand what I said. Yes, externals are not as important but you can have money through using the qualities of Jupiter R in the 2nd.

    Here is what I said: Jupiter rules playing a role in order to gain approval. Jupiter R does not want to play this role with anyone. When Jupiter is ℞ and afflicted, one individual stated that, in her family, you were only loved because you looked good, because you made a good appearance, and you were socially acceptable in everything that you said or did. Playing that role depleted the energies for the Jupiter R person. Playing a role is performing and not being real.

    NOTE: Playing this role can make Jupiter R ill as it is not natural for this R planet. This would be blood sugar irregularities mostly. So, you are attracted to role playing people with Jupiter-Sun but you can never be truly close to such people.

    Jupiter R in Houses 2-6-8 have a natural healing ability but they do not always work directly in areas of physical healing. The Earth signs and Scorpio have the natural healing abilities. This includes animals, nature, and even objects (renovation and repair, especially with antiques, in the 2nd and 4th Houses).

    The natural ability to restore things to life. NOTE: So, Jupiter R makes money restoring or finding value in something that others overlook.

    The natural ability to restore things to life— but this is not always physical healing. This position is good for figuring out better ways to do the work, better methodologies.

    The 2nd House needs body movement to keep it healthy, such as Tai Chi, Yoga, Aerobics etc.

    The “warning” is to do what makes you happy and not worry about others “abandoning” you because you do not do what they want.

    Any opposition indicates conflicting values in the partnership.

  13. Ken Says:

    Hi Lynn,

    I created a website to post my research on stationary planets –

    I think most of the data is accurate, but I need to cross reference with the rodden data at the astro databank to try and cut down on mistakes.

    Check out Donald Trump – Jupiter, Neptune, and Chiron, all stationary in Libra in the 2nd house! The only 2 others I’ve found with 3 stationary planets are Bram Stoker and Jerome Kerviel, the rogue trader.

  14. Allan Says:

    What do I focus on?

    Like I got 5 planets direct and 5 planets retrograde.

    The 5 planets direct are Sun-Mars between the signs Taurus-Virgo and spanning though 9th-12th houses.

    The 5 planets retrograde are Jupiter-Pluto between the signs Scorpio-Aquarius between the 3rd-5th houses.

    What does this inverted See-saw cause? Like I read some of what you wrote…like for instance Uranus retrograde. Gesh I wish I was normal. I think I have been reminded ALL my life how I am not like others. Im dyslexic-BACKWARDS…Can’t spell worth a damn and left-handed. Saturn is also retrograde in 3rd and like my dad is my best friend and I am more like his father then he is towards me. We see traits in the other we wish we had in ourselves. Guess thats normal.

    (Side note…I know by sign…with my Dad we got Venus opposed Venus, Mars opposed Mars, Uranus opposed Uranus, Pluto square Pluto, Neptune square Neptune, Chiron opposed Chiron….His Sun and Mercury are in Saggi and mine are in Cancer. The only thing we got going is both North Node in Taurus)

    “Neptune in the 4th is overly empathetic to conditions in the home but they may not realize this. They must find a calm, serene domestic environment and living space. A place in the woods with nature would be nice. Chaos and disorder are stressful. There is always a family secret – some “skeleton in the closet.” There can also be a pattern of alcoholism in the family and this can be the secret.

    My favorite Neptune R in the 4th is about a man whose father suddenly disappeared and he was never seen again. As an adult, he learned that his mother wanted to get rid of this man (probably an alcoholic). Since he spoke Spanish, she got him drunk and put him on a plane to take him as far away as possible and where he could speak the language – she choose Argentina.”

    Some things confuse me…Such as I got Neptune in 4th and like my parents were the anti-drug parents to the max. Dad did 3 tours in Vietnam… So he was crazy LONG before I came along lol But he’s always been extremely important in my life. Maybe cause I got Sun Mars Mercury Cancer in 10th? My parents did split for a few years around the time I turned 4 years old. I remember sitting on the AstroTurf…on the porch saying to myself…. DAMN why do these people even live with each others? I really wanted them to go their separate ways…. No Joke lol Took me till I was like 24 to realize that they do indeed LOVE to fight. PLUS nobody else would put up with their shit and they are perfect together. Like to be honest…Your favorite Neptune in 4th example kinda offends me. Get him drunk and throw him on a plane as far as he could go to force the parent out of the childs life cause daddie is a bad person? Why shun the drug addict? Relocation is an illusion. From the many places I have moved to escape from life…From state-to-state…I’ve noticed reality follows me wherever I go. Christ even people with the same exact names and faces I’ll run into lol The same people and situation starts up regardless where I go. All that does is makes the child think that dad is absent cause he was a drunk or a BAD PERSON and mother is the angelic, right and true parent…Cause she protected the child from even knowing the father personally. The child sees the father from a foggy…deluited perspective, maybe far removed from what might be true. Cause she hated the father, she makes up a story telling the kid that daddie was a drunk and we sent him to the other side of the world. He didn’t care enough to write a letter or make any contact with us, not to mention mommy was the one that forcefully pushed him out in this situation. SHE forcefully caused abandonment and justified it through language barrier. That STUPID of a reason, just goes to show she didn’t care for him to be in her childs life, like a mother who puts PineSol in her child’s food to make them sick so they cannot go to school. Just saying….That’s my guess what REALLY happened lol

    (I showed a friend the paragraph above that I wrote and pasted the 4th house Neptune description. She talked about this girl Brook she’s really close to and also has Neptune in 4th.

    “reminds me of the disappearance of brooks bio dad.. brook thinks hes dead..her mom never said anything n nobody talks.. more than likely the mom set this up n then sent him off to his next whatever but it seems pre planned n secret..”)

    My Sun is at 2 Cancer and Neptune 2 Capricorn…It is the center of my inverted See-Saw. PLUS my Moon is at 5 Virgo in the 12th. Mom is always right and perfect. I got her to smoke a cig once and she threw up for 4 hours straight. She’s been working the same job for the Catholic church for 42 years since she was 18. Shes the type of person that reminds you that shes right. 99% of the time she is. BUT she will even slam money down on the table to prove she is right. There is no point in arguing with a person who is always right. YOUR right…We got the point lol LOVE my mom to pieces but that woman is the Ice Princess, I was the Cancer influence with her. Wanted her to cuddle with me EVERY moment. Slept with her for the longest time in her bed. I would want to be around her so much as a kid, I remember I would pray before sitting in the bath tub with her, that I wouldn’t burn to death from the heat of the water and just sit with her while she would read a book.

    Shes an awesome provider as in the sense of Womanly things. Woman can sew by hand like a machine and has even been called out for using a machine and proved she sews like a machine by hand lol She makes some awesome jewellery. She breast fed me damn near 3 years. Master Chef….Amazing cook. Shes one of them people that could pick up a book about dry walling… and next minute shes an expert dry waller. Read a book on pluming AND now shes a plummer. I wish I had that brain like that woman does. But shes mean XD and anti-social. She’s everything…The Boss…the Provider…the Cleaning staff…tho not the nurturer. Love was not displayed it was known.

    My mom is one-of-a-kind. There really is this perfection view that you would think would be caused by Neptune in 4th? or Moon in 12th? That moon sextiles Sun, Mars, Pluto and trines Neptune.

    Born into the Heathen Fire family… 2 Saggi Parents, Leo sister and an Aries brother and then myself the Cancer with Uranus in Sagittarius as the only planet in Fire. My Family STOLE my FIRE!

    Thanks for writing this. I always enjoy reading all your work. You can tell the passion and love behind your work. Anything that makes me critically think, Me like :)

    Allan ~

  15. Lynn Koiner Says:

    ALLAN (9-2014): This post is TOOO long. I only answer questions about my articles. When a post is too long, I find it difficult to find the questions…

    So, I never worry about how many Retrogrades someone has. It interpret them individually as I have written them up in this article. This is just my personal technique.

    Next, in my 50 years of studying astrology, I have never heard the term, Inverted SeeSaw. The pattern is a SeeSaw regardless of the Houses involved. SeeSaw people grew up experiencing a lot of oppositions in their lives — parents very different, always taking an opposing point of view, but there is a potential for synthesis and unifying opposites (mediation, counseling, coordinating etc).

    Lastly, it is impossible to explain the aspects in your chart without seeing the entire chart — but I do not offer this service on this website. I suggest Bettye Lunsted’s ASTROLOGICAL INSIGHTS INTO THE PERSONALITY…my favorite for psychologically interpreting the aspects in the chart.

  16. Allan Says:


    You gave me a wonderful answer.

    All I was kinda confused on was Neptune in 4th.

    Invereted see-saw I meant like basically having a Libra rising (even tho technically I got a Virgo one). It is See-saw your right… It puts the 7th sign opposition like the 1st house, and it places all the planets in opposite houses opposed to the signs if we were going to make them a number. Like all my Cancer planets are in 10th house house. My Virgo Moon is in 12th house. See I answer my own questions all the time lol but you helped me with pointing out the tug n pull of a see-saw. Just that 5 on top are all direct and 5 on the bottom are all retrograde.

    My question was would this view I have on my mother be related to Moon… or Rx Neptune in 4th….. Let me be sterotypical… Im a Cancer.. I want to know about my Mother. Would I look at the 4th house or the Moon?

    I talk too much… I wasn’t even originally going to post the last thing, cause most of the time I don’t write on messaging boards. Ill have conversations with myself lol I end up writing too much…and then say oh damn…I said too much. I got hundreds of rambles lol Good friend of mine told me to post what I wrote.

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH GIVING ME A NAME OF A BOOK….nothing is better then resources.

  17. kari wood Says:

    Hi Lynn:

    I have 5 retrograde planets natally and have gotten a lot out of your articles. I have to tell you that your information on medical cures and remedies has been life changing. My thyroid went completely out of control, family crisis and death of my brother exacerbated symptoms in an alarming way. I decided to discontinue prescription medicine and only use supplements,hot castor oil packs and essential oils. I’ve just gotten my lab studies back and HAVE DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED RESULTS IN EVERY CATEGORY IN 2 MONTHS of following your advice.

    Like you I’m a virgo (ridiculously interested in health) and have 4 planets in 8th house and rx Jupiter in 2nd which I believe all have healing abilities potentially. As I get older I’m always thinking of ways to be of service…Your website, sharing of your wealth of knowledge are the most inspiring example of this for me to date. I will always be grateful to you for showing me how to reclaim my health and peace of mind!


    Kari Wood

  18. maya Says:

    Uranus,Neptune rx in 1st
    Pluto rx in 10th

    I can say I feel like the most normal common person from all the people.—-uranus rx effect—Highly conventional-bcz in 1st there is also saturn in aqua- square mercury. But my mercury also trines uranus at a closer orb-so dunno how to glue this altogether.

    Concerning neptune I have fears, phobias I get some vibes, which is not really a vibe, but an intuition. I fear dark, toys, big cats ..lately colour white…it’s crazy ….and the craziest is that I don’t know why. Oh..and everytime I dream about dead grandma I wake up terrified and with intense feelings. Either some karmic bonds or smth related to ancestors that I can’t really explain. And I feel that in the past I was evil or at least mean. And now I am incarcerated in a body.mind and spirit who is “obliged” to put up with hurdles and must be “the good girl” for repaying past debts.

    Not to mention that sometimes I have no clue of WHO AM I.

    with pluto rx- mostly not—-I see the ugly, but I hope I will do good at work.
    Indeed I hate to have someone watching me while I do something-very self-conscious- I don[t want anyone to see any on-going project, until is finished and perfect.

    Well..that’s my experience.

  19. Wim Says:

    Hy Lynn,

    Your post has been very helpful. Thanks.
    I was searching for some more info on the 2nd Saturn return which is due in a few weeks. I have Saturn SD, all the other planets direct.
    The remark that the SD planet is the most important makes sense.

    With Sun conjunct Uranus in Leo in 5th and 2 more planets in Leo in 5th my life till now still seems more defined by Saturn than any other planet, including the Sun.

    Any reference to more info on the impact of Direct planets?

  20. Wim Says:

    last line typo: It should read Stationary Direct planets… sorry (Merc. Rx now)

  21. karen Says:

    i don’t see what mercury retrograde in 1st house, can you tell me anything about that? thanks so much, k.

  22. grace Says:

    Hi Lynn,

    Thanks for sharing your presentation, much needed insights that decypher those concerns and resentments towards my thinking and action that have been preventing me from living life and apprecitating the people around me. Neither myself nor any suitable books /friend/counsellor could clearly articulate what I go through internally.Only the worse of anxiety and chaos is externalised, guilts and faults has eaten all my 20s away and wasting many opportunities.

    I have 6 retrogrades in total and unsure which planet is strongest of all in my natal.
    6th house Libra is filled with Mars 9.22R Saturn 19.23R Pluto 25.55R plus 6th house Scorpio with Jupiter 8.13R. opposing my 12th house Aries Sun and 11th house Aries Mercury.
    7th house Sagittarus Uranus 4.22R and
    8th house Sagittarius Neptune 27.03 R.
    A Leo moon 6.01 in 4th house opposite Midheaven forming 2 Grand Trine(s) with Moon Sun and Uranus & Moon Mercury and Uranus. Venus is in Aquarius 26.28 and Taurus AC.

    Having to feel unjust, misundrstood in dealings at work was a nightmare as I was never quick enough to think as it happens, it has been impossible to set up boundaries upfront with people when it doesnt come natural to me to be assertive or feel appropriate to talk. I just get angry at myself when I bend over backwards to accomodate until I crack, then i get punished for it. I never gained my respect from others eventhough i pour my heart to whatever I do. The weight for not performing well any more is unnerving. It took great effort to finally realized the problem is on me for merely react. Lynn, with these aspects, what is the key to gain that calmness and shine through building up on a career and help me gain strength?

    I really appreciate your articles and your great effort and enlightenments.



  23. Lynn Koiner Says:

    MERCURY IN THE FIRST: Mercury R is can very intelligent but this will always be a brood and ponder person who needs a lot of time to consider an answer – and they are prone to really dig for answers! The problem could be at times a tendency to not see the forest for the trees. They are more inclined to listen and to give short answers, esp. if asked about something that they have not considered before.

  24. Lynn Koiner Says:

    This usually means that you were born at a time when most of the planets from Mars to Pluto were on the opposite side of the chart. So, there can be many oppositions (so, sometimes, trines).

    When we have many oppositions, we feel that people always oppose what we want to do. One woman confided that, when she really thought about it, she would sense the position that others (starting with the parents) and they take the opposite side.

    Many oppositions give a talent in mediation — when one can see opposing points of view, then one can learn to bridge opposites and mediate or negotiate conflicts.

    I never think about how many Rs are in the chart. I interpret each one individually, as you have done above.

    You have a Stellium in the 6th House (you did not give your birth time so I am presuming that it was around 8am) and this is more important than the retrogrades. I have an article on Stelliums on this website. In the 6th, work can take over your life and you need to go to the 12th House — retreat and private time all for yourself. Stelliums love oppositions so it is natural for you to do this with the Sun in the 12th.

    I only see one Grand Fire Trine and this is all that you need. The Apex is Mercury so that motivational speaking and communicating is important. In early degrees, this describes HOW you start a new cycle in your life — with a lot of enthusiasm but it may not be sustaining. I have a manual on Beginning and Ending Planets on this website – but it is not a free download.

    You say that people often misunderstand you and this may be due to Neptune – whereby you do not make yourself clear…because this is the way people communicated when you were a child, going on presumptions. And, with Mars R, there is a lot of unresolved answer at time the leaks into communication, esp. in he work place.

    Years ago I had a client with similar aspects. She always felt misunderstood. Finally, after many years, she asked her co-workers what they thought was her problem. Because English was a 2nd language, she had a defensive communication style (Oriental). When she realized the problem, thanked her co-workers and changed she style, she was so happy at work.

  25. Claire Says:

    Really enlightening, thank you Lynn! Can you advise me what is the best way to deal with a retrograde natal Saturn in ares in the 3rd house, 11 degrees away from a retrograde chiron in Pisces, opposed by the sun in libra, and trined by the moon in Sagittarius in the 12th? Would a key word be ‘confidence’? Thanks for your help!

    NOTE: Claire's post was answered privately.
  26. xaian Says:

    hi lynn,

    thanks so much for posting this. i have venusR in my first house in virgo. what could this mean? (i would check here but smh i think 1st house was left out?)



  27. Lynn Koiner Says:

    XAIAN (5-2015): Remember, Venus R goes against the normal social trends. They need more freedom in relationships. Super independence can be a cover for feeling unloved during the gestation period (it starts that early with the 1st House).
    They may not want strings – and they may not want to be hurt. Much will depend upon the aspects to Venus as to how this plays out. As I have discussed in the article, they can be very much the humanitarian.

  28. Mani Says:

    All my planets are direct and I have a 9th house stellium of Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune but I relate to the retrograde descriptions as well as the direct ones. My higher education was interrupted and I am planning to return to education but it’s not easy to get off the ground. My question is do direct planets in the 9th still affect education and not just retrograde ones? Because in my case they have done. Yet I have no retrogrades, what is the explanation for this?

    TO MANI: My computer is not working correctly so I am answering here. You are correct in assessing that 9th House planets can sometimes feel like Retrogrades in the 9th. Wit a Stellium in the 9th, it is important not to live in the world of philosophies and theories. You must put what you learn into practical application. Travel is helpful here. Relocation to put your 9th House planets onto the ASC or MC helps get out of your head and activate the planets. Sometimes the stellium is affected my a transit -- if Capricorn, Uranus and Pluto are hitting these planets. When one is activated, all are activated in the Stellium. Sometimes a 9th House planet turns R by progression. THis was a good question and a good observation on your part.
  29. Ullhas Says:

    I read your article and found it intersting.
    I have Taurus ascendent and a retrograde venus in 6th which is in conjunction with Neptune.

    Kindly advise

  30. Lynn Koiner Says:

    ULLHAS (7-2015): I have not seen many placements of Venus R in the 5th so what I have written is the best that I know. With Neptune, one needs to work in an environment that is well organized and not stressful – sensitive to negative vibration in the work environment.

  31. Lynn Koiner Says:


    Always had difficult to understand girlfriend’s natal retrograde saturn. We are together about 13 years now. Her natal saturn are retrograde in the final of 6th house in cancer , conjunct with 7th house and making a opposition with her capricorn ascendant. The only aspects are a square with mercury in libra in 10th house and a trine with venus in scorpio in 10th house .The ruler of 7th house , moon in gemini, is in her 6th house but without conjunction with saturn , and the moon doesn’t have any challenging aspects , just trines with MC ,mercury,mars and uranus in 10th house. By the way , there is a stellium in 10th house (sun,venus mars conjunct in scorpio and uranus and Mercury conjunct in libra. Uranus make a conjunction with mars too) . She doesn’t show any scorpio characteristics (at least the bad ones).Any tips or guide lines of how to start to delineate this natal saturn , mainly because it’s the chart ruler ?

  32. Lynn Koiner Says:

    TESSA (10-2015): Retrogrades are not bad at all, if you read this article. Yes, Venus R and Mars R have more difficulties but not the others but you did not say that these are R. The outer planets are R 5 months out of every year so almost half the population has these.

    There are obviously other issues in your chart that make life difficult. And, I cannot imagine an infection in the teeth that lasts for 13 years. I cannot see issues with teeth that began in 2002. They may be an issue with Neptune opposing your Saturn but this could bring it to a point where the source of the problem becomes easier to “pinpoint” and thus resolve.

    Jupiter’s aspects indicate problems with intimacy – playing a role rather than being who you really are – and sometimes not knowing who you are.


    CLAUDIO: First, there is no such aspect as a planet opposing your Ascendant, in my work (others may disagree). There is a planet conjunct the 7th House cusp and it should be read this way – but I am presuming that Saturn is really in the 6th House.

    Saturn is Cancer is very insecure (I have this myself) because the “structuring” parent was very insecure — if that parent was in a good mood, she said OK; if mom was insecure, it was NO. Discipline depended upon moods and feelings of insecurity of a parent (it is usually the mother and especially if Saturn is R).

    Saturn R did not learn accurate responsibility from the father. Aspects will tell this story. Capricorn on the ASC often indicates that mom did not want to be pregnant and these feelings during gestation contributes to a congenital insecurity.

    So, if you do not know boundaries, one can become a perfectionist or avoid responsibilities. AVOIDANCE is an issue – it is with me. So, in work, one needs to be in a position whereby they do not have to handle big responsibilities (I am an astrologer so I take no orders from anyone). The Moon in Gemini (I also have this) would be better in communications, not administration.

    If she has a lot of Libra (I am clueless from this scattered information that you have given me), indecision can be a problem and Libra can take on others’ problems and try to fix things.

  33. Claudio Says:

    Lynn , very thanks for your input . Very accurate ! She doesn’t have discipline/boundaries because her mother let her do whatever she wanted with intention to hurt the father who tried to establish discipline . The mother had put barriers between father and daughter …

    Yes , the Saturn R is in 6th house , 18 cancer 54” , and the 7th house cusp is 23’51” cancer .

    I ask myself if this Saturn R have to do with the actual situation that both of us are living now : In the past venus retrograde transit she started to feel confuse about her feelings about me (venus R transit in her 7th house in Leo. I’m Leo ascendant) and ask a break to think (just now that recently we became engaged after 13 years together, LOL) . I tried to break up but she didn’t want it ; she wanted just a time break to think . Now that venus transit is approaching it’s final shadow , she started to call me and told me that your feelings are clearing up slowly and she will take a decision soon.

    When she saw that the commitment was approaching (possible marriage) , she started to fear it , even after 13 years together with me (we never lived in same house) and always telling me that our relationship was perfect for her . I think that her Saturn R conjunct with descendant , possible have very influence in that fear .

    Well , I will let you know the end of that , just for the records , LOL .I have to be very patient with my sun in pieces , leo ascendant and 8 planets in air signs, LOL .

  34. Alvaro Monter Says:

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  35. Vena Wernsman Says:

    It’s hard to find knowledgeable people on this topic, but you sound like you know what you’re talking about! Thanks

  36. Toney Regulus Says:

    I’m impressed, I must say. Really rarely do I encounter a blog that’s both educative and entertaining, and let me tell you, you have hit the nail on the head. Your idea is outstanding; the issue is something that not enough people are speaking intelligently about. I am very happy that I stumbled across this in my search for something relating to this.

  37. Teresa Tong Says:

    Awesome, awesome article! My domestic helper has Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto Rx in her chart. She certainly has issue with self assertion, disciplines (either letting her previous employer abuses her, or, in my case, trying her luck to the brink of abusing the contract). I guess her Mars 11th house in Cap opposite Sun 5th in Cancer doesn’t help either.

    P.S: She grew up in a Staunch religious background (Islam) and her father is most certainly a huge lesson in her life as her Saturn conjuncts MC.

  38. Chad Says:

    Thanks for the informative article. What is the difference if a planet is retrograde in its own sign v/s when a planet is retrograde in a neutral or enemy sign. For me venus is retro in libra in 12th house along with mercury direct in the same house. How do you interpret this.

  39. Lynn Koiner Says:

    CHAD (9-2016): To be honest, I have never taken into consideration the signs of Rulership-Exaltation-Detriment-Fall in making an interpretation.

    Any planet in a sign has a specific interpretation and I never think if the sign is “neutral or enemy.”

    Saturn in Libra is considered exalted and it is not usually a good sign placement, unless it is very well aspected. In Libra, all of the rules are geared towards other people – clean up your room because company is coming over.

    Venus in Libra can be stressed with crises and they can waste a lot of time FIXING crises generated by others.

    Understanding ASPECTS is essential and I love Betty Lunsted’s ASTROLOGICAL INSIGHTS INTO THE PERSONALITY.

  40. Miranda Says:

    This article is very helpfull I had to read it a few times for self reflection. Not surprising with natal Sun in 7th house plus chiron and mercury in gemini.
    Im still learning.
    I have a lot of retrogrades!

    Numbers indicate houses:
    7) Sun 13°57’ Taurus
    11) Moon 6°21’ Libra
    7) Mercury 4°29’ Gemini
    5) Venus 0°17’ Aries
    11) Mars 0°42’ Я Libra
    12) Jupiter 4°21’ Я Scorpio
    11) Saturn 17°03’ Я Libra
    1) Uranus 3°24’ Я Sagittarius
    2) Neptune 26°42’ Я Sagittarius
    12) Pluto 25°02’ Я Libra
    7) Chiron 22°04’ Taurus
    1) Ceres 20°48’ Я Scorpio
    11) Pallas 3°38’ Я Libra
    2) Juno 9°54’ Я Capricorn
    4) Vesta 15°09’ Aquarius
    9) Node 15°27’ Я Cancer
    2) Lilith 11°19’ Sagittarius
    5) Fortune 0°28’ Aries
    AS 8°04’ Scorpio
    MC 21°52’ Leo

    1) east point 26° scorpio
    10) zeus retrograde virgo 19°
    11) appollon retrograde libra 9°
    12) poseidon 25°10’ Я Libra
    12) Proserpina 2°38’ Я Scorpio
    1) Cupido 8°25’ Я Scorpio

    I find it hard sometimes to take in the information or find life purpose, I question a lot, doubt my intelligence. I find it hard and fear unrealistic things.. do I pick up things from other people.. ??
    Most retrogrades are true, neptune in 2 R saggitarius.. my mom is sun in saggitarius house 1 her jupiter in house 11 libra.. So she did help me out and she helps other people to keep a good eye on balance.
    My retrograde in NN in cancer house 9.. soo true emotionally I had to grow up, when I hold on to them I feel immature and insecure. I am sensitive for other people’s emotions.
    At times when I am Creative I feel illuminated leo 10th house, when I cant I feel deprived.
    Ive been through hardships of life.
    Astrology fascinate me but I also doubt if it’s putting subconsious messages inside that effect perspective on life or the everlasting question: who is god? The origin of life? The mysteries..
    I want to help people on a grand scale but I dont know How.
    If I cant help I feel selfish.
    Do I really have healing qualities?

    I did read any degrees on 22° is killed or be killed. I worry about my MC.
    I reflect on a lot of details good/bad so I see truth in Many ways. Im fascinated about death and fated events do we have control? What about the here after and reïncarnation..
    I like to see the big picture and purpose.. what decides your next life..

    Sorry I lost track..
    Feel free to help or advise me.

    My best, Miranda

  41. Lynn Koiner Says:

    MIRANDA (1-2017): This list is not very helpful to me and I would prefer questions about the article. I cannot answer who is God or the origin of life. I do not use R Nodes as this is not an object but merely a point in the sky where the Moon crosses the Sun’s path. I do use it in some interpretations but I have my own interpretation of the nodes that does not conform to modern analyses.

    I presume from your list that you were born in early May 1982. It is not unusual to have a lot of Retrogrades – it is more unusual to have No Retrogrades.

    I cannot judge from your list if you have healing abilities. I use Hygeia and certain House to indicate healing and the type of healing. If healing interests you, then you need to study some field of healing that interests you the most. The 7th House can get too wrapped up with other people so it does better in a service profession where you get paid for being helpful.

    The last time I heard the question about Fate and Free Will was in Eastern Europe when it was under Communism. The more control that you feel that you have over your life the more you believe in free will. Now that they live in a democracy, they never ask such a question.

    I studied reincarnation through the Edgar Cayce readings. Coming up in Catholic schools, death was frightening. I just knew that, if I was God, a God of Love, that I would set up a system whereby all Souls would make it. Even the current Pope said that a God of Love would NEVER create a hell for His children. Reincarnation was so liberating. Ann Jaffin wrote a good book on this subject. She is in the ARE study group. This is always a good study.

    I have the degree of your MC as the degree of my Mercury, ruling my ASC, and it is my best planet. These scary interpretations come from hundreds of years ago when life was pretty scary. I pay no attention to these interpretations.

    You seem to have a pretty negative interpretation of astrology – which indicates that you are a beginner – and I would strongly urge you to study with a good teacher – and study with a number of teachers. I teach advanced courses for the International Academy of Astrology but Pam Gallagher in Cincinnati OH is a great teacher and she may have online courses. Her students just love being with her for years.

    More important all of these things that you mention, most of your planets are in Beginning Degrees. This usually means that you have not incarnated for a long time so you have a lot of learn about life on Planet Earth in the 21st Century. Beginning Planets are qualities that you need to cultivate and learn about in the lifetime. Focus upon these first.

  42. KM Says:

    Hi, Lynn:

    My daughter has Virgo Mars rx conjunct the MC from 9th house (2 degrees away) and this Mars opposes tight conjunctions of Pisces Neptune/moon/Chiron. The moon also trine Libra Saturn rx in 11th house. Me being a natural worry wart Virgo moon mom, I’d like to know if this is anything to be concerned about? And how I may help her.

    Thank you!

  43. Lynn Koiner Says:

    KM (2-2017): Mars in Virgo R near the 10th does not work well with people in authority and life can be difficult with passive aggressive anger issues that get projected onto a boss. Being more autonomous in the career is essential.

  44. Tharsiny Balamurali Says:

    I have just read this article of retrograde planet Jupiter. It made me clear of someone’s action in my life. That person has Jupiter R as his 7th lord and in his 3rd house(leo) from his ascendant (gemini).
    Before reading yours ,I have read the notes of retrograde Jupiter from Cosmic technologies.
    Both made me much clearer of his actions. I have been calmed by these articles

    I couldn’t even use the word of Ex———————to mention about him the way I love him. He showed all his good qualities of retrograde Jupiter for around 15 years. Still there will be always something hidden in his actions and talk. He won’t like being questioned at all( Sun -ruler of the 3rd house in 7th house with mercury So Ego is there always )
    He has started plans to leave us well ahead and well planned . Arranged some one for his second marriage. Moved a huge amount of money secretly. Waited for the legal period of 2 years , as there is a need to provide maximum of two years bank statements . While he was doing all these he was normal with us. Until the day he left, he was sleeping with me holding me very closer to him. We didn’t realize until night that he has gone forever.
    While me and my son were sobbing for his departure and pleading for his return , he went to Malaysia to marry a woman he has already made chosen. Before the financial settlements are completed he got married in a religious ceremony and had a child. Still we are in a trauma of his departure. None of his family or friends expect it .
    In addition to that he had venus in his 6th house (scorpio) and Mars in 8th house ( Capricorn) from ascendant .
    I have been reading a huge amount of astrological articles. Not all are in one place. But I could see him clearly through the planets.

  45. Ms Says:

    Thank you for one of the best articles on retrogrades. I have not seen any other article go into so much detail and actually do the houses as well.
    Unfortunately, my personal chart has five retrogrades and they are quite short for my ones. I historically have had problems of feeling manipulated, gaining independence materially and otherwise and never being paid for work I do for others and wonder if I could work better with my retrogrades. Please could you offer me any words of wisdom, anything will be very appreciated.

    1w50, 52n30 sid. time: 20:06:31

    Planetary positions
    planet sign degree motion
    Sun Aries 27°48’48 in house 12 direct
    Moon Virgo 18°12’30 in house 5 direct
    Mercury Taurus 17°31’56 in house 12 direct
    Venus Taurus 18°16’27 in house 12 direct
    Mars Taurus 29°38’33 in house 12 direct
    Jupiter Scorpio 1°31’35 in house 6 retrograde
    Saturn Taurus 10°14’49 in house 12 direct
    Uranus Libra 5°51’37 in house 6 retrograde
    Neptune Sagittarius 0°21’02 in house 6 retrograde
    Pluto Virgo 25°14’39 in house 5 retrograde
    True Node Pisces 11°02’24 in house 11 retrograde

    House positions (Placidus)
    Ascendant Gemini 3°23’50
    2nd House Gemini 24°54’20
    3rd House Cancer 11°45’14
    Imum Coeli Cancer 29°28’07
    5th House Leo 23°02’44
    6th House Libra 2°50’53
    Descendant Sagittarius 3°23’50
    8th House Sagittarius 24°54’20
    9th House Capricorn 11°45’14
    Medium Coeli Capricorn 29°28’07
    11th House Aquarius 23°02’44
    12th House Aries 2°50’53

  46. Lynn Koiner Says:

    MS (12-2017): Listing planets and Houses is quite confusing for me as I am not a visual person. And, telling me your coordinates and sid. time means nothing.

    However, the traits that you describe are not the fault of the Retrogrades. You only have 4 retrograde planets and these planets are retrograde for half of the year – every year.
    I do not consider the Nodes as R or D. These are not planets.

    The problem lies in the Moon in Virgo conjunct Pluto – you grew up with a manipulative mother so you are attracted to this energy until you learn the lesson.

    Jupiter R in the 6th favors healing work as does the Taurus-Scorpio axis, sensing energies like a spider feeling the tug on its web.

    This is my introduction to 12th House planets —

    THE 12th HOUSE by Lynn Koiner

    The 12th House represents issues, qualities and traits that have become repressed in the personality.

    I do feel that there is a karmic connection with this House. I will use myself as an example throughout this lecture. I have Mercury in Leo in the 12th near Pluto.

    I knew this from my own past life experience. I have Mercury in Leo (GWB has his in the 1st House) and I have always known that I made an error in judgment and listening to others rather than going with my own knowledge.

    I have lived with a fear of making a mistake B like thousands of men could die on the battle field if I made an error. In the past, whenever I thought that I was the greatest, when any touch of arrogance colored my thinking, I do make a terrible error that everyone knows about!

    I feel some sadness for George because I feel that I was in a similar situation in a past life B in a position of power and being given bad advice by those who appealed to my Leo.

    EXAMPLE using my own chart:

    I feel that I attracted this lifetime of power because I always judged people in power. Why don’t they do this or that…as if it is so easy. Now, I know it is not.

    I will never sit in judgment of another. I am never on a jury. I know that I will never be selected.

    In the past, I reserved spiritual education to the more affluent, not the truly poor. My clients and students are just ordinary people. I am never a favorite with people in power – but I am a favorite with the ordinary people. I strongly felt this during a trip to Glastonbury.

    The planets represent traits and qualities that were deemed intolerable to be expressed by a parent – they were intimidating to a parent and the individual learned to repress these qualities and feelings rather than get into trouble.

    These issues are related to events that occurred before you were born. By counting backwards from the Ascendant, you will find the timing for when the repression first impacted the family.

    NOTE: At my Chicago workshop, a well-known astrologer there said that she had observed Mars-Saturn afflictions involving the 12th House to indicate a recent life in which the individual died violently.

    E.D. has Mars-Saturn in Virgo in the 12th and she feels that she died in the Holocaust. A lot of people feel this, often from empathy or maybe working with such souls on the other side.

    I often find errors in the history of what they say. But, I believe ED. She has a lot of anger issues and fear of men and authority. She feels that her weight issues are connected to starving to death.

    She saw herself as a small, young boy in that lifetime.


    The 12th House is a super-powerful House, even demonstrated by Gauqlin in his research. Planets that fall into this House are dynamic.

    It is essential that you learn to release their energies by finding an outlet – in the career, in the avocation or some other external activity.

    These planets cannot easily express themselves at the personality level. You must find another way to express their energies — because they are powerful instincts that have been repressed!

    The 12th House planets describe what you need to be expressing in your career or avocation. It should be a strong factor in considering the qualities and traits needed in a career choice.

    Karmically, I feel that energies that express themselves improperly in the First House will slip into either the 12th House or it will become intercepted in your next lifetime. See my website for the article on Interceptions.

    12th House people have a personality profile:

    • They cannot be ON 24/7

    • They need ALONE TIME

    • They shut down around outgoing and assertive types

    • People, who do not know me, often think that I am angry or upset when I shut down

    • 12th House people have learned to be INVISIBLE!

    • The Past Life is associated with a Monastery Experience B vows of poverty, chastity, obedience and silence. These vows were taken very seriously so these traits are difficult to overcome in the current lifetime

    All Water signs obsess or become preoccupied. With the 12th House, they can appear spacey or forgetful.

    • All planets in the Water Houses – 4/8/12 – are introspective and obsessive. These traits tend to distort reality at times so they need to talk with others about how they are feeling or perceiving to get a “reality check.”

    • Health issues connected to this House are Karmic

    If you have the Sun in Leo in the 12th House, you cannot be a LEO 24/7. You need to select an occupation where in you be sunny and outgoing for a short period of time and then you can crawl back into a private place and recuperate your energies.

    One client with the Sun in Leo in the 12th had a part-time job as a CLOWN.

    A 12th House planet can indicate what you do not like in others B because you feel that it is something difficult to express within yourself.

    For example, someone with the SUN in the 12th House may dislike people who get attention easily, showy and outgoing types. Until you learn how to get attention for yourself through your work or avocation, you may resent people who get attention easily.

    Since this is one of the natural HEALING HOUSES, these people can find themselves as Guinea Pigs, learning from an experience which they eventually share with others.

    My Health Crisis from 2004 through 2006 was a great learning experience for my lectures on medical astrology. Even with some personal issue, when I solve it, people start calling with that same issue B and I know how to solve it from my personal experience!

  47. Philippa Says:

    Genius! Thank you very much! So interesting and spot on. Just thought I’d say thanks. :)


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